From : Andre Koopmans
To : firstname.lastname@example.org
Date : Jun 28, 2007 11:01 PM
Subject : [oudefietsen] Holland-Indonesia
Hallo Indonesian members and lovers of Dutch bicycles,
It does not matter the English of some Indonesian bike-enthosiasts is not so good, we (at least I) can understand it perfectly ! I find it funny that on the other side of the world there are so many people that love “our” bicycles from Holland too ! There is only one club for old bicycles in Holland (de oude fiets) (www.oudefiets.nl) and we have a few hundred members, that is all!
In Indonesia there are much more friends of our old bikes than in Holland.
I visited several indonesian old-bicycle-sites and although I do not understand the indonesian language, I saw lots of pictures of your bicycles, and you have an enormous lot of old dutch bikes !
A few things surpriced me; there are a lot of old dutch bikes in indonesian with steel chaincases (oliebad-kettingkast in dutch). In Holland old bikes have most of the time a “lakdoek-kettingkast”, also the soft textile (or leather) material with a steel frame inside.
In Holland a large number of male-pre-war-bicycles (and a bit newer) have high frame-sizes, 66cm, 72cm, 75 cm and even bigger, on Indonesian foto’s I saw only small-size frames, probably because Indonesian people are smaller than us tall Dutchies.
Which Duch bicycle-spareparts are indonesians looking for, in Holland there is still a lot but things like old type bearing-material is getting harder to get, especially for old Transportfietsen and the big old type crank-bearings in good shape are hard to get.
Another thing that surprised me is the beautiful chrome/nikkel on the old indonesian “Holland-bikes”, don’t they rust in indonesia ?! Or do you always put on new chrome when you retorate a bike ? In Holland most old bicycles we find have a lot of rust, the chrome/nikkel is mostly rotten of in bad shape.
Is an old Fongers / Gazelle / Burgers / Simplex etc. in resonable good shape expensive in Indonesia ? How long does a normal indonesian man has to work to get the money for such a bicycle ? In Holland you buy a reasonably good oldtimer for about 100 euro, that is about two days working for a average Dutch worker. 1 EUR = 12225,577 IDR.
A nice website to look at for indonesian lovers of bicycles made in Holland is probably http://www.marktplaats.nl ,click on the left side on “fietsen en accesoires” and than scroll down and click on “oldtimers”. There is a lot of old rubbish for sale, but also nice old Dutch bicycles. I sometimes buy an old bike from this site, but this will be very difficult for you becaus of the distance…. But nice to look at !
If you have questions about old Dutch bicycles, just ask on this forum in your best English/Dutch/German, maybe with a foto, and we can try to give an answer !
Greetings from Holland,