GREEN GAZELLE 1915

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Hallo Alex,

Two weeks ago I found a 1915 Gazelle, apart from the frontwheel and the spatborden, it is all original 1915.

It even has it’s original GREEN colour ! with a bleu and a yellow stripe, this is very rare because in those years (almost) all bicycles (and all other vehicles) were black !

It has been a beautiful and expensive bicycle (Gazelle No. 12) because it has fixed bearings in the crank-axel and backforks are completely build up with luggs.

The photo’s are the bicycle how I found it, I pumped up the tires (old pre-war-Gazelle-tires) and could cycle away with it, even the brakes are very good working !

The bicycle has the rare old type copper Gazelle-badge (with the gazelle-head on top), no Gazelle-inscription on the front of the frame, the old steering-lock systeme, old type gazelle frame, the lamp hook has a lion on it (?) and the frontgear is the GAZELLE-letter-type.

See pictures,

Maybe you like to show the photo’s of the bicycle to other Gazelle-lovers….

Greetings from Belanda


Andre Koopmans

Gazelle marken
Green Gazelle 1915
Frame number
Supitan belakang model tua
Rem depan
Dudukan lampu dengan lambang Singa

73 thoughts on “GREEN GAZELLE 1915”

  4. to mr Koopmans,

    why you called this bike with Gazelle no.12 ? any relation with frame number or what ?

    to mr Alex,

    gambar dudukan lampunya is a Lion alias singa bukan kuda he he he… 🙂

    Balas ↓

  10. Wong-cilik; I think it is a Gazelle no. 12 because in 1915 Gazelle put only fixed-bearings in the (most expensive) No. 12 type.
    We know that because there are old catalogus from those years left with all specifications and pictures.

    I also have a similar woman-Gazelle from 1916 (the black one on my Flick-photo’s) that is a much cheaper type.
    This does not have the fixed bearings and also not the nice lugged backforks.
    And not the very rare green colour.
    I was lucky someone painted the bicycle very long ago, this saved the nice original paint that was underneath it !
    I carefully took of the paint and the nice original green colour and bleu and gold-striping appeared !

    I heard from onthel-professor Andrian (joking) that people in Indonesia have problems with how old their Gazelle is.
    This is very simpel, I made a framenumberlist where you can clearly see how old your Gazelle is.
    The numbering came from the old Gazelle-archives that still exists.
    Gazelle started in1902 with framenumber 1 and never stopped just counting on and on.
    So Gazelle 103597 is just the 103597’s bicycle they produced.
    This list I made in Dutch about 7 years ago, but the framenumbers together with the building-year are clearly viseble for you also in Indonesia.

    I made a scan of this Gazelle-building-year-list, if you want it tell me your E-mailadress and I will mail it to you next week.

    Greetings,
    Andre

    Balas ↓

  11. Kang Laex, nuwun sewu, setelah saya lihat pembesaran gambar terakhir, dudukan lampu depan gambarnya adalah gambar singa bukan gambar kuda. Jadi sesuai dengan karakter negeri belanda yang memang lebih bersimbolkan singa. Nuwun.

    Balas ↓

  19. I will mail the the Gazelle-building-year-list to you all next week.

    Raleigh bicycles are still in production, but it is only the name and the badge that are the same as the old Raleigh’s from England.
    An other company bought the rights to produce bicycles and put the name Raleigh on it.
    These new Raleigh’s you can also buy in Holland, but the quality is very poor and the bicycles can not compare to the old ones from England.
    I am not shore where they are produced at the moment, but it could be Singapore.

    Greetings,
    Andre

    Balas ↓

  20. Wow…… This is really amazing specimen that we still can see it today…….. specially from some one as Andre Koopmans one’s . very nice collecting item , must be very hard to find like this in Holland , I believe this a rare even in Holland too , isn’t it ??? We couldn’t imagine if there is one like that here ,it will be make many collector will get headache !!!
    Cheers.

    Untuk sektor 2 kemayoran ,
    Setahu saya , Singapore dan Malaysia tidak pernah membuat Raleigh , yang ada hanyalah Distributor & dealer besar yang diberi hak mengimport dalam jumlah besar dalam bentuk terurai yang kemudian di rakit disana .
    Pada kerusuhan G.30 S/PKI 1965 dan setelahnya keluar peraturan PP 10 yang berdampak pada pengusiran orang-orang Tionghoa ke daratan Tiongkok , banyak dari mereka yang karena hal tersebut terpaksa menutup toko dan keagenan nya dengan Raleigh Inggris serta banyak yang ngemplang utang tidak bayar , sehingga di Indonesia semua keagenannya di tutup.
    Untuk mendapatkanya terpaksa kita import dari Singapore atau malaysia. Menurut Bpk. ANDI KARIM dari VLAARDINGEN Makassar , setelah tahun 1965 an banyak Pinisi yang belayar keMalaka pada waktu itu , pulangnya membawa Raleigh dari Singapore sehingga orang mengenalnya dengan Raleigh Singapore , tapi tidak dibuat di sana .
    Saya pernah punya barangnya dalam keadaan baru stok lama dan masih terbungkus rapi serta belum dirakit dari produksi tahun 1968
    dan ada dokument importnya yang menyatakan import langsung dari England Via Singapore. Barangnya sekarang ada di Tempat P.NARUTO PALANGKA RAYA .
    salam

    Balas ↓

  22. walah…walah…………..kereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeennnnnnnn
    Muuuuaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnteeeeeeeeeeepp……tenan euy
    Sepeda kayak gtu masih da yang Jual gak yah…jadi pingin punya sepeda lagi neh…………….Oke deh Abang, Om, Pak De…Andre Koopmans……kUUEEErrreeennnnn…..its really…??????
    brp yah kira” harganya……????????

    Balas ↓

  37. Every body will agree to my comment : ” It’s really impressive bicycle”.

    Andre, how do you get having this one ? I don’t think that’s easy to get old Gazelle like this.

    Hopefully, you will show us other collection especially variant of Gazelle.

    GBU,

    Balas ↓

  38. Jiiiiaaan apiek buanget sepedane, didol pora ya, nek perlu andre kon nggowo mrene tak tukune, mas andre dolan nang suroboyo, tak traktir rawon setan.

    Balas ↓

  42. Al Gasim, It is not easy to find these very old bicycles, but it is also not so dificult….
    You just have to do a few things;

    1) You have to know very good how bicycles looked like in those old times, and I mean very good, every detail you have to know, as good as possible, and from wich periode it is.
    In about 10 years I tried to learn as much as possible about old Gazelle’s (a bit less in Fongers and others), and now I know quiet a lot about gazelle, but I still learn new things every year.

    2) I live in Holland, in Holland are more bicycles than there are people, so everywhere you look, you see bicycles.
    Everywhere I go my eyes see bicycles, I “trained” myself in very very quickly observing a bicycle, I think if you give me a picture of a Gazelle bicycle and let me see this for 1/10 of a second, I can tell you within 10 years how old the bicycle on the picture is.
    So every day I am on my way I see a few hundred bicycles, when I walk by a bicycle-shop my eyes go through a lot of bicycles that are for sale outside of the shop and when there is an old bicycle between them, I immediately see it and look closer.
    It is not that I am walking like a crazy man through the streets looking for bicycles, I think it is hardly visible, but the old-bicycle-detector in my eyes is always working….
    Have patience and keep your eyes open.

    On the flee-market in the small village I live in, I found the green 1915 Gazelle, I was just lucky, I was on the right place on the right time, no other collector had seen it or recognised it.

    In Holland these very old bicycles are still on the road, for sale on http://www.Marktplaats.nl or used as “spare-bicycle” in shed’s. they are there, but also in Holland these bicycles are very rare !

    So what I do is go to the flee-market every month in my own village, watch between “oldtimers” on http://www.Marktplaats.nl every day and always “keep my eyes open”.

    But most important: You have to know very good how bicycles looked like in those old times !
    Than you can recognise a real oldtimer, because most of the times they are “camouflaged”, modernised, as modern bicycles.
    With newer lights and other new parts like sadles and assecoires it is sometimes difficult to see it is in fact a very old bicycle, you have to recognise it.
    The old Gazelle-frame from before 1930 looks clearly different as the newer one’s, frames of very old (~<1915) bicycles are shorter and steeper build, the frontvork-crown is different before 1923, backforks of very old Gazelle’s are much thinner, if you see a lugged backfork like the old 1915-gazelle, it is always “bingo”, I can go on for a while, so there are a lot of details that make it possible to recognise the building-year.

    Pfff, what a story…

    Balas ↓

  43. Saya setuju Mr Koopman. Modal utama supaya disamperin sepeda-sepeda “keren” itu ya mesti menjadi pembelajar, menaruh minat/apresiasi dulu terhadap karya otentik merek-merek tertentu, mengenali orisinalitasnya, dsb.

    Mr Andre, I have received your email. Thank you very much.

    Balas ↓

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  45. Kang Andre Koopmans,

    Thank’s a lot of your kind to explain all of us the details about Gazelle.
    As you know, peoples are interested for chatting about Gazelle, and it looks like not ending story.

    Talking about serial number that’s printed on Gazelle’s frames, if you don’t mind I want to ask you :

    – Is there any differences between serial no : 10 and 11 ?
    – Especially in quality, is serial no:11 higher grade than 10 ?

    It should be appreciated if you like to respond to the question above mentioned, and thanks for your help.

    Rgd’s,

    Balas ↓

  46. Mr.Andre Koopmans,

    Good Luck do you have a preety bike.
    I can see the line marking on the front fork.
    consider on it, I want to know about your explanation
    “Fixed Bearing” i’m interesting about these matter.
    could you explanation to more clear about it ?

    Best Regards

    Balas ↓

  47. bermain sepeda itu memang lama kelamaan sangat – sangat mengasyikkan sekali………………….he he he………
    oh yach ntar tanggal 26 okt ini ada event sepeda an di Palangka Raya……………..kok nggak masuk yach beritanya??? pastinya akan ruame…………..sekali………….ada nggak yach teman – teman yang berangkat ke sana??…………..

    P.Yos………….P.Yos……………………P.Naruto………………P.Naruto…..
    ……………….
    dan kawan – kawan semuanya yang ada di P.Raya………….kok nggak dimasukin yach undangannya acara tersebut di sini??

    Balas ↓

  51. to GaLiH_KOBA;
    “Fixed bearings” are “industrial” bearings that are also used in cars, machines etc. (“kogellager” in Holland)
    When you take a “normal” bicycle bearing appart, you have several separated parts like inner-scale, outer-scale and the steen ball’s fitted in grease that make the bearing “roll”.

    A fixed bearing can not be taken appart, it is very presicely industrial made in one piece, most of the time a fixed bearing is lasting longer, stronger and has less friction than a normal bicycle bearing. (but more expensive)

    to Al gasim;
    About the Gazelle serie’s; I wrote a long story in an E-Mail to Andrian (Andyt) with the explenation how this worked for Gazelle.
    Andrian is trying to translate the “whole story” in Indonesian language, so every collector in your country can understand it.
    So please wait for “Professor onthel Andrian” for the whole story in Indonesian language….

    But I can tell you, the type of Gazelle (No.8 or No.1 or other) has NOTHING to do with the framenumber !
    The framenumber is just put on every Gazelle that left the factory, it does not matter which type it was.
    The higher the Gazelle-framenumber, the newer the bicycle, always !
    The “type” Gazelle No.8 or No.1, or “P”, “A”, “L”, “Sport” or other were put only on the transfer on the vertical frametube, and on old bicycles these are often unreadable, overpainted or worn……

    Andre

    Balas ↓

  57. kapan ya aku punya sepeda kaya’ gitu…???
    mudah2an aj yang punya lupa ingatan, trus sepeda itu di kasihkan ke aku….pasti aku langsung angkat dia jadi saudaraku….hehe…peace…

    salam ONTHEL……MERDEKA……

    Balas ↓

  59. Dear Mr. Old-Fashioned-Bicycle Expert (Mr Andre Koopmans)

    First af all, I am so amazed of your expertise about old bicycle that I call you Mr Old-Fashioned-Bicycle Expert (please do not take offence) especially Gazelle trade mark. However, I have not heard your story about you and your own old bicycle(s).

    By the way, how long have you been dealing with your old bicycle? The only thing you mentioned about the period of time with bicycle is that you have been having closer look at old bikes for 10 years. How deep is your love and how are you treating your old bicycle(s)? How many of them do you have? Does your livelihood have to do with bicycles? How did you fall in love with your bicycle for the first time?

    Talking about old bicycles, I regretted selling my Raliegh man’s bike tens of years ago. After years of saving money, my father bought me that bike when I was at the age of 11, a year about to finish my elementary school. I named it “Si Reli”and I cared for it very much so that I used to polish it every time it looked dusty. Si Reli had accompanied me till I finished my senior high then I left Jogyakarta for Jakarta. Two years later my father sold it so as to make additional fee for my sister to enter higher education. I felt sorry for it but there was noting I could do about it. If only had I had the money at that time I would not have let my father sell it. I have recently tried to recover and buy it back but I lost the trace of the fourth man who bought it.

    Last but not least, Mr Expert, would you be so kind as to give me your Gazelle-building-year list?

    I am looking forward to the tale about you and your bicycle(s).

    Balas ↓

  61. Dear Pak Koopmans,

    Very Old and nice cycle and what surprised me is…. still in good condition…amazing graze…eh gazelle..

    warm regards

    yoto

    Balas ↓

  63. i have been seen gazelle marken like that couple years ago.in jatinom klaten Java . i believe it’s real .but i couldn’d find the cylcle . it’ just my memories. viva gazelle

    Balas ↓

  67. Thank you very much Gazelle-boys, you are very enthausiast !
    I had not visisted this item on the sepeda wordpress for a long time and I saw some of you wanted the Gazelle framenumberlist I made years ago.
    The list is in Dutch language but you can see the buildingyear and the framenumber so everybody can see how old his Gazelle is.

    To Mr. ma2n,

    I think I am not so important in old Bicycle history, I just collect old Bicycles that are made in Holland and I like that, so I took some time to study the history of some brands, like Gazelle and Fongers.
    I do not exactly know how many bicycles I have, about 30 I think.
    In Holland it is not expensive to buy 30 (not so special) old bicycles, so it is easy to do that.
    It is more difficult to collect 30 very rare bicycles, and even more difficult if you want to do that without spending a lot of money !
    I try to do that, I have collected my bicycles without using a lot of money for buying them.
    I just buy an old bicycle, I know it is special (for me), but for the persons who sell it is just an old bike…
    (I often tell I collect old bicycles and most people like it their old bike goes to somebody who cares about it !)
    That is the reason I never buy a special old bicycle from an other collector, because than they are expensive and it is too easy for me.
    Just buying something an other man found, I find it much more pleasant to find them myself !
    And I don’t want to spend a lot of money on it, it is just a hobby for me.
    I like it to buy an unknown beauty in stead of one that every collector in Holland has seen before.

    It gives a good feeling you found something special that others could not find ! haha !

    Greetings from belanda to you all,

    Andre

    Balas ↓

  69. assalamualaikum mr andre koopmans, ternyata sepeda yang anda punya ada juga di Indonesia, kalau punya mr koopmans nomer framenya 103597 punya saya 107347, he he he terpaut 3750 sepedanya, ternyata indonesia gaul juga sepeda yang ada di belanda di indonesia juga ada he he he karena di jajah kali ya, tapi punya mr koopmans lengkap, punya saya harus banyak mencari spare partnya, karena setang dan gir depan sdh di ganti relight. dan spakboard belakang sdh di ganti gazelle yg lebih muda, he he he mudah mudahan pelan pelan saya dapat spare partnya, sepertinya akan sesusah sepedanya he he he GBU

    Balas ↓

  71. assalamualaikum pak isnaeni,
    ,maaf mau nanya apa di bawah peneng gazelle nya memang tidak ada tulisan gazelle (leher stang)..soalnya saya liat yang pak andree sepertinya” tidak kelihatan” ada tulisannya.

    Balas ↓

  72. to : Mr. Andre Koopman

    Dear Mr. Andre

    please help me, i have a dames gazelle. at the bottom of the logo there is the word “gazelle” but the serial numbr thre is at the left side of the bottom sadel. are its really gazelle?if it true gazelle,wahts the type of it. please help me…
    my name is tanila in cirebon my e-mail get_trilogy@yahoo.com or my phone 087728827770. i was tired to looking for the truth of it and youre my hope. please…

    Balas ↓

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